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		<title>By: 1st Amendment battle at ICC &#187; Peoria Pundit</title>
		<link>http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2006/02/21/free-speech-enemies-win-yet-again/comment-page-1/#comment-14873</link>
		<dc:creator>1st Amendment battle at ICC &#187; Peoria Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It has been slightly more than a month since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that colleges and universities have the right to censor student newspapers if the papers are printed by the college. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Debi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like all jay Bennish did was state the truth; Bush HAS threatened the entire world to either follow the US and their doctrine of hate, or suffer the consequences. That is EXACTLY what Hitler did before him; the truth really hurts, doesn&#039;t it? Also, I&#039;m sure we, the &quot;poison&quot; spreading leftists are mearly attacking bush for katrina ineptitude, for domestic spying, for being a war and hate monger, for being a hypocrite (it&#039;s ok to have a little indescretion with Cocaine as a youth (college age), but forbid anyone smoked weed. He is a lier, a hypocrite, and inept child king, and he is, by the way, not legitimate in his presidency, he &quot;won&quot; by lying, and won again by playing on the fears of Americans. He should be impeached and thrown in prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like all jay Bennish did was state the truth; Bush HAS threatened the entire world to either follow the US and their doctrine of hate, or suffer the consequences. That is EXACTLY what Hitler did before him; the truth really hurts, doesn&#8217;t it? Also, I&#8217;m sure we, the &#8220;poison&#8221; spreading leftists are mearly attacking bush for katrina ineptitude, for domestic spying, for being a war and hate monger, for being a hypocrite (it&#8217;s ok to have a little indescretion with Cocaine as a youth (college age), but forbid anyone smoked weed. He is a lier, a hypocrite, and inept child king, and he is, by the way, not legitimate in his presidency, he &#8220;won&#8221; by lying, and won again by playing on the fears of Americans. He should be impeached and thrown in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Political opinions should be expressed in the classroom, but fairly &#187; Peoria Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political opinions should be expressed in the classroom, but fairly &#187; Peoria Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to a long comment made to this post, I&#8217;ve been getting a lot of hits from Google and Yahoo News searches for &#8220;Jay Bennish.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: astudentAtOverland</title>
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		<dc:creator>astudentAtOverland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this as a student at overland high school just hurts to see how horrible this has turn into. not only does it make mr bennish look like hes a horrible teacher but also our school. i had mr bennish as a teacher last semester and i dont think i have learned that much in a class before. i had the chance to see different view points that were contriversial in our country. mr bennish always made sure to state the different oppinions to whatever we were talking about. i think he was one of the best teachers out there. hes young and entergetic. one of those teachers that actually will have fun while teaching you. yes he did say something that many people could dissagree with and he himself could dissagree with those points. he just made sure to give us all a variety of ways to look at something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this as a student at overland high school just hurts to see how horrible this has turn into. not only does it make mr bennish look like hes a horrible teacher but also our school. i had mr bennish as a teacher last semester and i dont think i have learned that much in a class before. i had the chance to see different view points that were contriversial in our country. mr bennish always made sure to state the different oppinions to whatever we were talking about. i think he was one of the best teachers out there. hes young and entergetic. one of those teachers that actually will have fun while teaching you. yes he did say something that many people could dissagree with and he himself could dissagree with those points. he just made sure to give us all a variety of ways to look at something.</p>
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		<title>By: howardroark</title>
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		<dc:creator>howardroark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Communist Manifesto should be part of the cirriculum in a Geography class.  The lines that are drawn on a map are subject to near constant change, and are most certainly politically motivated.  Moreover, it is absolutely correct for an educator to discuss current political affairs in said class, regardless of their political beliefs or stance on a particular issue.  Students should be introduced to all aspects of the spectrum of an argument, in order to glean what they think is the best, most correct position.  That stands true, regardless of whether a particular stance is in line with the current government of whatever country that student lives in, especially if that student lives in the U.S..  I ifnd it repulsive to imply that these comments are inappropriate, or unAmerican, whatever that means.  These comments are in fact along the same lines as those made by forefathers and patriots like Patrick Henry.  Capitalism is not what makes our country great, freedom is, and without the freedom to criticze and openly discuss hotly contested issues, our country will become nothing more than the repressive regimes that we claim to despise.  Mr. Bennish should be commended for speaking his mind and providing an alternative, and might i add, equally viable take on the current policies of the U.S. and how they in tandem with capitalist interests are currently, redefining the Geography of the Middle East.  If these parents are afraid of the repercussions of having free thinking children,, perhaps they should have their kids reprogrammed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Communist Manifesto should be part of the cirriculum in a Geography class.  The lines that are drawn on a map are subject to near constant change, and are most certainly politically motivated.  Moreover, it is absolutely correct for an educator to discuss current political affairs in said class, regardless of their political beliefs or stance on a particular issue.  Students should be introduced to all aspects of the spectrum of an argument, in order to glean what they think is the best, most correct position.  That stands true, regardless of whether a particular stance is in line with the current government of whatever country that student lives in, especially if that student lives in the U.S..  I ifnd it repulsive to imply that these comments are inappropriate, or unAmerican, whatever that means.  These comments are in fact along the same lines as those made by forefathers and patriots like Patrick Henry.  Capitalism is not what makes our country great, freedom is, and without the freedom to criticze and openly discuss hotly contested issues, our country will become nothing more than the repressive regimes that we claim to despise.  Mr. Bennish should be commended for speaking his mind and providing an alternative, and might i add, equally viable take on the current policies of the U.S. and how they in tandem with capitalist interests are currently, redefining the Geography of the Middle East.  If these parents are afraid of the repercussions of having free thinking children,, perhaps they should have their kids reprogrammed!</p>
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		<title>By: Vonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Important issues on campi...

Evil Seeds

Just how much ideological poison will the leftist creeps who infest our educational system from top to bottom have to pour into developing minds before they succeed in their goal of destroying American civilization from within? Considering how quickly our schools are disintegrating into leftist indoctrination camps, we may be finding out within a generation or so. Walter Williams offers some hair-raising examples in a piece on Townhall.com.

Here&#039;s Jay Bennish of Overland High School in Aurora, Colorado, educating his pupils on the topic of President Bush&#039;s State of the Union address:

    Sounds a lot like the things Adolf Hitler used to say. ... Bush is threatening the whole planet. ... [The] U.S. wants to keep the world divided. ...Who is probably the most violent nation on the planet? The United States!

Bennish has also enlightened his 10-graders with assertions that the USA has committed &quot;7,000 terrorist attacks against Cuba&quot; and that &quot;Capitalism is at odds with humanity, at odds with caring and compassion and at odds with human rights.&quot; The Communist Manifesto is part of his class&#039;s curriculum. He teaches geography.

It doesn&#039;t get any better when the kids move on to college. Williams gives a few representative examples from UCLA, where history professor Mary Corey informed her class that &quot;Capitalism isn&#039;t a lie on purpose. It&#039;s just a lie,&quot; and that capitalists &quot;are swine. . . . They&#039;re bastard people.&quot;

For political and economic analysis, students can refer to Andrew Hewitt, chairman of the Department of Germanic Languages, who told a class that &quot;Bush is a moron, a simpleton, and an idiot,&quot; and that &quot;American consumerism is a very unique thing; I don&#039;t think anyone else lusts after money in such a greedy fashion.&quot;

Economics Professor Rod Swanson would likely agree, having revealed to a class that &quot;The United States of America, backed by facts, is the greediest and most selfish country in the world.&quot;

Undergoing politically correct indoctrination isn&#039;t always a passive activity at UCLA. Sociology professor Terri Anderson required a class to go cross-dressed in public.

Some very unhealthy seeds are being planted and nurtured by depraved ideologues who hate this country and everything it stands for. There will be a price to be paid for letting it continue: the future.

via Moonbattery.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Important issues on campi&#8230;</p>
<p>Evil Seeds</p>
<p>Just how much ideological poison will the leftist creeps who infest our educational system from top to bottom have to pour into developing minds before they succeed in their goal of destroying American civilization from within? Considering how quickly our schools are disintegrating into leftist indoctrination camps, we may be finding out within a generation or so. Walter Williams offers some hair-raising examples in a piece on Townhall.com.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Jay Bennish of Overland High School in Aurora, Colorado, educating his pupils on the topic of President Bush&#8217;s State of the Union address:</p>
<p>    Sounds a lot like the things Adolf Hitler used to say. &#8230; Bush is threatening the whole planet. &#8230; [The] U.S. wants to keep the world divided. &#8230;Who is probably the most violent nation on the planet? The United States!</p>
<p>Bennish has also enlightened his 10-graders with assertions that the USA has committed &#8220;7,000 terrorist attacks against Cuba&#8221; and that &#8220;Capitalism is at odds with humanity, at odds with caring and compassion and at odds with human rights.&#8221; The Communist Manifesto is part of his class&#8217;s curriculum. He teaches geography.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t get any better when the kids move on to college. Williams gives a few representative examples from UCLA, where history professor Mary Corey informed her class that &#8220;Capitalism isn&#8217;t a lie on purpose. It&#8217;s just a lie,&#8221; and that capitalists &#8220;are swine. . . . They&#8217;re bastard people.&#8221;</p>
<p>For political and economic analysis, students can refer to Andrew Hewitt, chairman of the Department of Germanic Languages, who told a class that &#8220;Bush is a moron, a simpleton, and an idiot,&#8221; and that &#8220;American consumerism is a very unique thing; I don&#8217;t think anyone else lusts after money in such a greedy fashion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Economics Professor Rod Swanson would likely agree, having revealed to a class that &#8220;The United States of America, backed by facts, is the greediest and most selfish country in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Undergoing politically correct indoctrination isn&#8217;t always a passive activity at UCLA. Sociology professor Terri Anderson required a class to go cross-dressed in public.</p>
<p>Some very unhealthy seeds are being planted and nurtured by depraved ideologues who hate this country and everything it stands for. There will be a price to be paid for letting it continue: the future.</p>
<p>via Moonbattery.com</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan: First off, I&#039;m sorry you and other readers are having problems getting past the Captcha.  I know it&#039;s a headache, but I was losing comments entirely because of other anti-spam methods. The posters weren&#039;t even noticing. The solution is to register for the site, and accept the cookie that my site will set in yoru computer. Don&#039;t worry. I do not collect email addresses for any purpose other than site registration.

Second, I would like to direct readers to YOUR fine blog and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arguewithsigns.net/archives/2006/02/22/overlooked_scotus_inaction_of_the_day/&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your post&lt;/a&gt; on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan: First off, I&#8217;m sorry you and other readers are having problems getting past the Captcha.  I know it&#8217;s a headache, but I was losing comments entirely because of other anti-spam methods. The posters weren&#8217;t even noticing. The solution is to register for the site, and accept the cookie that my site will set in yoru computer. Don&#8217;t worry. I do not collect email addresses for any purpose other than site registration.</p>
<p>Second, I would like to direct readers to YOUR fine blog and <a href="http://www.arguewithsigns.net/archives/2006/02/22/overlooked_scotus_inaction_of_the_day/" title="" rel="nofollow">your post</a> on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of understanding of the issues in this case - and in college press law in general - among your commenters is shocking. The 1988 case dealt with &lt;em&gt;high schools,&lt;/em&gt; i.e., people who were not adults. Further, the concept of &lt;em&gt;consequences&lt;/em&gt; is quite separate from the concept of &lt;em&gt;prior restraint/review.&lt;/em&gt; 

Nobody has argued that freedom of the student press does not bring with it consequences or responsibilities. The issue in Hosty was prior restraint - the censoring of publication before it was disseminated because the administrator didn&#039;t like what was going to appear.

Further - and this is something the peoria pundit didn&#039;t mention - the appellate case law is now hopelessly split on what level of freedom college presses should enjoy. The 7th circuit says Hazelwood may be applied. The 4th (?) circuit (including Kentucky) says college press freedom is protected from such restraints.  At some point, the Supreme Court will &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to step in.

The Daily Illini is hardly the only fish in the kettle on this issue. every college in Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin is now subject to administrative &quot;editing&quot; if they don&#039;t have some sort of protection.  Check the Student Press Law Center for more *facts* about the case.

P.S. - the code thing really does suck. Whadya know, they invented a &quot;captcha&quot; that even foils human comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of understanding of the issues in this case &#8211; and in college press law in general &#8211; among your commenters is shocking. The 1988 case dealt with <em>high schools,</em> i.e., people who were not adults. Further, the concept of <em>consequences</em> is quite separate from the concept of <em>prior restraint/review.</em> </p>
<p>Nobody has argued that freedom of the student press does not bring with it consequences or responsibilities. The issue in Hosty was prior restraint &#8211; the censoring of publication before it was disseminated because the administrator didn&#8217;t like what was going to appear.</p>
<p>Further &#8211; and this is something the peoria pundit didn&#8217;t mention &#8211; the appellate case law is now hopelessly split on what level of freedom college presses should enjoy. The 7th circuit says Hazelwood may be applied. The 4th (?) circuit (including Kentucky) says college press freedom is protected from such restraints.  At some point, the Supreme Court will <em>have</em> to step in.</p>
<p>The Daily Illini is hardly the only fish in the kettle on this issue. every college in Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin is now subject to administrative &#8220;editing&#8221; if they don&#8217;t have some sort of protection.  Check the Student Press Law Center for more *facts* about the case.</p>
<p>P.S. &#8211; the code thing really does suck. Whadya know, they invented a &#8220;captcha&#8221; that even foils human comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Garland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom of Speech was never intended to be a blank check. There are hordes of limits including the classic &quot;fire in a theater.&quot; One might argue that these cartoons constitute the yelling of fire in a crowded theater.

Regardless, the 1988 Supreme Court case put limits on what schools can do with their student newspapers and therefore, this decision isn&#039;t surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom of Speech was never intended to be a blank check. There are hordes of limits including the classic &#8220;fire in a theater.&#8221; One might argue that these cartoons constitute the yelling of fire in a crowded theater.</p>
<p>Regardless, the 1988 Supreme Court case put limits on what schools can do with their student newspapers and therefore, this decision isn&#8217;t surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah...online journalism is the way to go.  Say whatever you want whenever you want.  No checks and balances.  No responsibility. 

Wave of the future.

btw, this code things sucks.  I&#039;m on my 7th try</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah&#8230;online journalism is the way to go.  Say whatever you want whenever you want.  No checks and balances.  No responsibility. </p>
<p>Wave of the future.</p>
<p>btw, this code things sucks.  I&#8217;m on my 7th try</p>
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