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Billy Dennis is a former reporter and editor at small daily and weekly newspapers in Illinois and Missouri. He comments on media, news and politics. He also owns and operates The Blog Peoria Project, which promotes community-based citizen journalism in his hometown, Peoria IL. Call me at (309) 863-5748 and leave a message.
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Day by Day: Skin status update 3/21/2010 March 22, 2010Billy Dennis
Today’s strip: Sam’s put on a sweater, but she’s still got that low cut top on. But tattoo-girl Skye is still doing the belly short thing.
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Neighborhood Assoc. Still in NIMBY Mode March 22, 2010David P. Jordan
I just came across this, but the Journal Star published a story last Thursday on the Detweiller Marina Neighborhood Association’s opposition to industrial zoning for land purchased by O’Brien Steel Service Co. for future expansion.
Nearly a year ago, I reported the Association’s initial opposition before the city zoning commission approved the re-zoning, and was rightly critical of their illogical, anti-industry NIMBY attitude. See blog entries here and here.
Nothing has changed. Association president William Ordaz told Peoria’s planning commission on Wednesday that:
“It’s not heavy industrial use that will contribute to this neighborhood. It will kill things.”
Huh? Heavy industry has dominated that part of the North Valley for well over a century. If anything, heavy industrial use has built those neighborhoods. After all, it was workers employed at the city’s factories that built the first houses there.
O’Brien Steel plans to announce its expansion plans in 1 to 2 years. In a time of recession and with the consequences of reckless spending at all levels of government and rising tax rates sure to harm the manufacturing sector, we should support O’Brien Steel’s plans for growth, which will help the adjacent neighborhood by providing additional jobs.
(The significance of this story to this blog is that O’Brien Steel Service Co. is located on the Kellar Branch and served by the Central Illinois Railroad Co. Expansion might increase use of rail service.)
- David P. Jordan
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Teabaggers take one on the chin as health care reform passes, but Limbaugh and Beck secretly thrilled March 22, 2010Billy Dennis
What miserable pinko liberal swine thinks that the Democrats are going to GAIN votes after passage of health reform? Well, conservative commenter David Frum is one:
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into [...]Original post by Billy Dennis
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It a development that surprises almost no one who’se been paying attention at District 150, it seems that the renovations at PHS are not being done in a competent manner March 21, 2010Billy Dennis
This arrived in my email inbox moments ago:
District 150 Administration and School Board
Ladies and Gentlemen:
We are writing as concerned parents and supporters of Peoria High School students. We have been attending school functions and meetings hoping to hear about the upcoming changes for PHS and have been incredibly disappointed with the district’s total lack [...]Original post by Billy Dennis
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In a development that surprises almost no one who’s been paying attention to District 150, it seems that the renovations at PHS are not being done in a competent manner March 21, 2010Billy Dennis
This arrived in my email inbox moments ago:
District 150 Administration and School Board
Ladies and Gentlemen:
We are writing as concerned parents and supporters of Peoria High School students. We have been attending school functions and meetings hoping to hear about the upcoming changes for PHS and have been incredibly disappointed with the district’s total lack [...]Original post by Billy Dennis
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The only thing missing from yesterday’s tea-bagger protest was Bull Connor, attack dogs and some fire hoses March 21, 2010Billy Dennis
Some of the anti-health care people sure do have some interesting views on race:
Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon House Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted “the N-word, the N-word, 15 times.” Both Carson and [...]Original post by Billy Dennis
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Spring Turning March 21, 2010witchsbrew
The Cosmos strives for equilibrium today. The hours of daylight and dark are equal. Spring returns–even if the day is dark and cold, rainy, snowy, spitting sleet. It’s the thought that counts.
Modern Wiccans call the day Ostara. I am not found of the name. Like Easter itself, the name is taken from a Teutonic lunar Goddess Eostre. Mike Nichols, author of The Witches’ Sabbats, from the website of the same name, “Her holiday, the Eostara, was held on the vernal equinox full moon.” Technically that will fall on the 29th of March. According to Nichols, the Roman Catholic Church divided the vernal holiday into Easter–the first Sunday after the full moon following the vernal equinox–and Lady Day, the Feast of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, on March 25th. This, of course, the day that the Angel Gabriel announces that Mary is “with child.” “Lady Day” was the name used by our first Wiccan founders.
I think I prefer the simpler “Spring Turning.” It was the phrase I used in my own fiction back before I was “officially” Pagan. It signifies a becoming. As Nichols says, it’s a springboard to Beltane, May 1st. Processes begun at the equinox find fulfillment at Beltane.
I hadn’t planned to celebrate the day, but a friend called late in the morning and said, “Let’s go to Bloomington to the Mennonite Relief Sale.” The day was dreary; and I knew that by the time we got there, most everything would sold, but I hadn’t been to the Relief Sale since it left Peoria. I was pleasantly surprised to get a bunch of pussy willows. I can’t remember the last time I had pussy willows.
And on the way back, I asked to stop in a Kelly Seed to look over their new shipment of heirloom seeds. I haven’t decided yet if I am going to plant a garden this year or slit my wrists, but Global Village in the Heights is collecting supplies for Haiti this month, and one of the things on the list is garden seeds. So I bought heritage melons, squash, radishes, and corn. And a packet of mixed lettuce if I decide to plant for myself. Spring is such a fickle time of the year…
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How Railroads Promote Ind’l Development – Past and Present March 20, 2010David P. Jordan
I think the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railway’s 172-page Industrial Development Brochure is incredible for its detail, and it shouldn’t leave prospective buyers of listed properties and buildings with too many questions. But if they do have any, they can always contact the railroad.
Closer to home, RailAmerica’s Toledo Peoria & Western Railway lists these properties. I’m curious, though, why two of them, here and here, which are nowhere near TP&W track, are listed (furthermore, they could find out that “Middle Road” is not spelled “Middel.”).
Genesee & Wyoming, Inc., owner of two local shortlines – Illinois & Midland Railroad and Tazewell & Peoria Railroad – provide few details on their website, but it does say this:
I&M’s extra-wide 200-foot right-of-way, and adjacent industrial sites on both I&M and T&P, offer excellent location opportunities for manufacturing, distribution and transload facilities.
Before the Internet Age, railroads published and circulated booklets detailing industrial development sites in various communities they served. One example was the Chicago Rock Island & Pacific Railroad’s 1964 booklet. One page of the Peoria section, which appeared in the railroad’s 1963 Annual Report, can be viewed by clicking the thumbnail below.
The Rock Island’s promotion of both the Galena Road Industrial Park and Pioneer Industrial Park caught the attention of the Peoria Journal Star, which mentioned it in a June 16, 1964 editorial.
Past and present, American railroads know that to remain viable long term they must continuously promote their services to prospective industrial and logistics firms. And the only change is the type of media.
- David P. Jordan
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I write this with all love and respect to the local guys because they ROCK, but Comcast is Satan March 20, 2010Billy Dennis
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So I’m in the Comcast office on Dries Lane ever other month.
Those guys rock. Professional, friendly and quick. Kudos.
But when I have actual [...]Original post by Billy Dennis
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Day by Day: Skin status update 3/20/2010 March 20, 2010Billy Dennis
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Bill,
Never listened to Rick Springfield. But there is a Genesis song in my iPod. So maybe you’re right…I have kissed goodbye to my cred.
Thanks for reading and pointing people toward our blog. I must admit…way, way more people siding with John Sharp on this KISS question than with myself.
It’s sort of a rule that critics have tastes that are a bit more rarefied than their audiences.
And I certainly hope you are not claiming that friggin’ GENESIS is a better band than is KISS.
Genesis with Peter Gabriel is.
“It’s sort of a rule that critics have tastes that are a bit more rarefied than their audiences.”
That’s why I miss Gene Siskel.
He was not above liking dumb movies or disliking arty ones.
The band Genesis, with Peter Gabriel OR Phil Collins, has been linked to cancer, global warming, sunspots, and the Peoria Rails to Trails project.
There is no greater evil.
I agree with McGee….as I just put on Brad’s blog, critical acclaim isn’t everything. Lots of “two thumbs up” movies are dogs, lots of highly-thought-of-by-critics music is beyond unlistenable to the average ear.
And I’d be very correct in saying that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will be visited by more “average ears” than critics. So they should listen to the Joe Averages of the world and put in the bands that made music good enough (notice, I’m not saying “critically acclaimed” or “groundbreaking” music, I’m just saying “good enough”) to sell millions of albums and get millions of spins on the radio and sell millions of dollars of concert tickets – and maintain that success over a long period of time – into the Hall of Fame.
The comment was already made on Brad’s blog about the Black Eyed Peas and putting “popular” but not “good” musicians in the Hall, and KISS was basically placed in that former category. Umm, no. KISS didn’t flame out. KISS was not a one-hit wonder, or even a one-trick pony band. KISS has longevity, and that should play into the Hall’s thinking. KISS is a little different than The Black Eyed Peas (at this point, check back in 20 years and see if the Peas are still there).
Bottom line, “groundbreaking music” aside, KISS at it’s peak sold more albums in a couple of hours than the Velvet Underground did in it’s entire existence. And whenEVER some other band says “such and such band” were a positive influence on them, it’s worth something in my eyes.
When I hear acts mention their “influences”, it seems as if it’s always Chuck Berry, Johnny Cash, Buddy Holly, The Beatles, Springsteen, The Stones, or KISS. Now, if that band gets mentioned up there with those acts, shouldn’t that be a ticket to the Hall all by itself?
I full-heartedly agree with you! Kiss SHOULD be in the R & R Hall of Fame. But let’s not knock on Rick Springfield guys. WHY does everyone knock on Rick Springfield when they need to say something sarcastic?? I think I know. Because ignorance is bliss. If you’ve never dove into his music (and no…not just Jessie’s Girl) then you would not really understand. He TOO deserves a spot in there as well. He is my favorite musician/writer/guitarist/vocalist of all time, with his almost 40 years in the music industry!!!! Pick up his latest DVD, Live at the Rockford…and see for yourself! Or better yet….Shock Denial Anger Acceptance from ‘04. HE ROCKS!!!! That man is a guitar GENIUS and can hold his own with the best of them. BRUCE WHO??? LOL
YES….KISS are rock and roll legends. I am a Kiss fan and have been my whole life. I too am hoping for their name to be added. (along with my man Rick!)
Sincerely,
Kelley Pearson
Ok, Tony, Genesis or Rick Springfield?
I would suggest that Genesis (had all the members died around 1980 after recording Duke) should be in the R&R HOF.
Ahhh, Genesis….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEONfGP1aYE
A little Rick Springfield….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZm3ZVvhS8
And if you wanted the best…you got the best…..Hall of Fame, no questions about it…no one did it better on stage…
Fun clips..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4CZNInUPaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U4vniMKhlM
Gene Simmons meets Totie Fields…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3B590zDEcE
Or….better yet….better than Jessie’s Girl. (his ‘new’ music!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ytBYJy2UgQ
My husband just got the Kissology DVD set for Christmas. Now THAT is really cool
If you don’t have it, it’s worth every penny!!!! I had NO idea those guys were getting by on only about $85 a week their first few years. What a shock. But look where they are NOW. Gene Simmons is unreal in those old vintage clips. I love that guy 
Kelley
KISS had a large influence on these guys, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MlwM2r1GiU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVWJgIzftE
“Bottom line, “groundbreaking music†aside, KISS at it’s peak sold more albums in a couple of hours than the Velvet Underground did in it’s entire existence. And whenEVER some other band says “such and such band†were a positive influence on them, it’s worth something in my eyes.”
Funny you should mention a band being influential on other groups and the velvet underground in the same paragraph. There’s a famous quote about the VU that says something like, “The Velvet Underground didn’t sell alot of records in their time, but everyone who did started a band.” I’m not saying Kiss shouldn’t be in the rnr hall of fame, but not including such a hugely important and influential band as the Velvet Underground would discredit the organization.
CP, I’m not saying the VU shouldn’t be in the Hall, either. I’m simply saying if THEY are in, KISS absolutely should be, too.
I did say that VU is unlistenable to many people, me included, and I stand by that.
An aside, in the 10 years I did P.A. for the Rivermen, there were always between 6-8 people on headset together during the games, and we’d occasionally play the game “overrated/underrated” and just throw out names of bands or singers or actors or athletes and then do a little impromptu poll on what category we thought they’d fall into.
Lou Reed, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Zeppelin always fell into “overrated”. Not because they weren’t GOOD, but we just felt they weren’t AS good as they were made out to be in the press.
BTW, my “underrated” list for rock usually includes INXS, Bob Seger, BTO, Bad Company, and John Mellencamp. Those five can’t get enough accolades for me to say they’re getting their proper due. Commercial success? Yes. Critical acclaim? Not as much as there should be.
BJ,
Understood on your VU point although as a huge fan I’ve gotta urge you to revisit their back catalog.
Although I’m not a fan of Kiss, I’d say that they deserve to be in strictly on account of their place in the cultural history of rock. I mean just like at the merchandising dollars they brought in. Not since the Beatles did a band sell their name on so much stuff. The stage act, the groupies blah blah blah…it’s all rock and roll and for that they’re in. Musically I can take it or leave it, but hey so it is.
As for under/overratted I’m with you on Mellancamp being under and Zepplin being over (way over.) Adding to the overrated list for me would be U2 (put out some good stuff, but have been in stuck in the mud for 10 years) and Guns & Roses. Underrated? Neil Finn (crowded house, Split enz)
While being in the RORHOF is an honor, it is not the definitive word on what makes a rocker credible. Credibility is in the ear of the listener.
There is nothing wrong with either KISS or Rick Springfield. BOTH are excellent entertainers with respectable sized fanbases. They are just two poins on the rock continuum. I don’t understand this elitism that some are showing here. Don’t you know rock has had many permutations over the past 50 years? Who says you have to choose only ONE style of music to enjoy? Variety is the spice of life, after all….
While being in the RORHOF is an honor, it is not the definitive word on what makes a rocker credible. Credibility is in the ear of the listener.
There is nothing wrong with either KISS or Rick Springfield. BOTH are excellent entertainers with respectable sized fanbases. They are just two points on the rock continuum. I don’t understand this elitism that some are showing here. Don’t you know rock has had many permutations over the past 50 years? Who says you have to choose only ONE style of music to enjoy? Variety is the spice of life, after all….