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By: Stonewall

Stonewall — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:02:45 +0000

Lincoln was a tyrant period. He was a “disciple” of Henry Clay who avdocated slavery and merchantilist government (government subsidies for special interests), and Lincoln agreed with Clay on both principles. The man murdered people for protesting the war (including 50 blacks) and shut down newspapers. To suggest that the South fought for slavery is preposterous! If this was true, then men such as Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee, General Beauregard, and Stonewall Jackson would not have fought. IF it was fought over slavery then you have to take into account that there were 13,000 documented BLACK slaveowners, and this is not to include the Indians who owned slaves. If the Confederates really were fighting for slavery then they wouldn’t have banned the slave trade right off the bat when they made their soveriegn nation. There were more slaveowners fighting for the Union than for the Confederacy, and when Lincoln changed the aim of the war there were mass desertion on the Union side, because they didn’t want to fight a “nigger war”.

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By: ben

ben — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:08:29 +0000

Mr. Dennis: You say that there was an “armed insurrection” and pro-Confederate agitators in Union territory. Fine, then deal with THEM, over whom the US gov’t had legitimate power, instead of decimating a [very very newly] sovereign nation.

*Once again, I will note that I am not pro-slavery, pro-secession, etc. I do think it’s interesting to give conventional wisdom a shove to see how it reacts. I also think that things are rarely as black and white as most people (my oh-so-fallible self included) like to pretend they are.

By: Billy Dennis

Billy Dennis — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:33:57 +0000

Ben: Yes, I know. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, closed down newspapers, etc. I’ve heard it all before. Bear in mind he did this during a time of armed insurrection. The entire nation was a battlefield, essentially. There were pro-Confederate people spread throughout the Union states, and many of them were actively supporting the Confederate cause. Read any book about Lincoln and you will find someone who went to great lengths to NOT be a tyrant.

By: ben

ben — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:22:36 +0000

1. Maybe the ends justified the means, but you gotta admit that Lincoln did some heinous things wrt civil liberties.

2. I think the issue with ‘pro-Confederacy’ libertarians, if I may be so bold as to speak for a group of which I’m not even a member, is that they see independence/sovereignty of individuals as priority numero uno. If a people band together and decide to rule themselves independently from the established regime, what power should that government have to intercede? Lincoln, therefore, was acting as no less a tyrant than Saddam (see Kuwait) or Stalin (see the Warsaw Pact).

By: Billy Dennis

Billy Dennis — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:41:59 +0000

Back in 2002, I addressed the fact that some people calling themselves libertarians had the gall to go around calling Lincoln a tyrant, when in fact Lincoln did more than any white man in American history to bring personal liberty to black-skinned Americans. It makes me sick that Rockwell and others call themselves libertarians, yet wrap themselves in the Confederate flag and express sympathy with the Confederate cause and pretend it had nothing to so with enslaving human beings. Go read Bernie Schoenburg's column today. It discusses how Abe Lincoln is revered by free-loving people the world over -- except by the demented, anti-government wing of the Libertarian Party. Have a nice day.

By: Matthew

Matthew — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:21:39 +0000

How can you like Lincoln? The guy was a tyrant. Try to be a little objective.