News: Chickens coming home to roost

March 21, 2008
By Billy Dennis

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I could not resist running this photo. I believe the man on the right needs no introduction. The guy on the left: The Rev. Jeremiah Wright. That’s the former pastor of Barack Obama’s church who the right wingers are using the scare Democrats into voting for Hillary Clinton, who the GOP thinks will be easier to beat in the general election.

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19 Responses to “ News: Chickens coming home to roost ”

  1. Diane Vespa on March 21, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Oh Wow, Billy, you are on to something big! A photo of Bill Clinton standing next to the Reverand Wright – what a scoop! (sarcasm intended)

  2. Billy Dennis on March 21, 2008 at 10:03 am

    That’s my point. It’s not a scoop. And neither is the fact that this guy was Obama’s minister. No one really thinks Obama is a closeted racist. So why the attention to the dumb things Rev. Wright says?

  3. VONSTER on March 21, 2008 at 10:12 am

    After all, he WAS our first black President. No surprise here.

    Oh, and it’s a “sauce for the goose” issue, Bill.

  4. reno on March 21, 2008 at 10:12 am

    No, nobody thinks that, but that’s not stopping ‘em from claiming it and trying to convince others. Hell, just look at the peoria.com politics forum.

  5. Billy Dennis on March 21, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Please … I don’t need a peoria.com v. peoriaspeaks.com flame war here.

  6. reno on March 21, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Me either. This has nothing to do with that, anyway. What I was referring to was a specific thread about Obama’s minister which contains a number of panicked replies, mostly from the same person, about how Obama is really a racist hatemonger. But also, there’s Merle Widmer’s blog, where he calls Obama a closet racist. Let’s not forget Sean Hannity’s little Lie-atribe about it.

    All I’m saying is a number of people don’t care if he’s not a racist, they’re going to say he is anyway. The peoria.com thread just an example, so I’ve referenced the others there in the interests of fairness and not starting stupid drama. :D

  7. VONSTER on March 21, 2008 at 11:48 am

    If he really condemned Rev Wright’s extremism he’d have left the church years ago.

  8. Diane Vespa on March 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Billy, surely you are not suggesting that the relationship between Obama and the Reverend Wright is as innocuous as the relationship between Clinton and the Reverend Wright?

  9. Billy Dennis on March 21, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I’m saying that the relationshiop between Rev. Wright and Obama IS innocuous, in that has no genuine bearing on his fitness to lead.

  10. Diane Vespa on March 21, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Well, fortunately, we are all entitled to our own opinions. ;)

  11. VONSTER on March 21, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Sauce for the goose, Bill.

  12. reno on March 21, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Vonster, if you’d really condemned things like big government and liberal spending practices, you’d have left the Republican party 5 years ago.

    Diane, you’re not buying into the notion that he’s a seething hatemonger beneath the surface, are you? He’s not exactly Louis Farrakhan. Like him or not, you guys have at least got to give him that much.

  13. Diane Vespa on March 21, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Who stole Reno’s user ID? The real Reno would never talk to/about me in a civil tone. But to answer his question – no. Not at all. Why would that even be suggested?

  14. reno on March 21, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Sorry, my killer death ray destructo-lasers of incivility are at the shop for repairs due to excessive usage. Besides, bygones are bygones and I’m really not too terribly interested in Billy banning me from his site for life over old crap that has nothing to do with this.

    Anyway, not trying to extrapolate, I guess I just misinterpreted your response.

    One thing I’ve noticed on my lunch breaks while listening to Right-wing radio is the utter resistance to the speech. Obviously, it aimed to reconcile or foster understanding, but the radio pundits are calling it divisive and finger-pointing. Then you’ve got others who say he’s a racist no matter what he says. I’m wondering what gives. The guy is obviously not some rabid bigot, but a good number of people on the right are labeling him as such anyway. Any input on this one?

  15. Mahkno on March 22, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Right wingnut radio has made it clear that there is to be no reconciliation at all. Rush especially makes that point. you either adopt their world view or be condemned by them. That goes for McCain too. There is little love for McCain on right wingnut radio.

    If anything wingnut radio plays into Obama’s speech and confirms it. They are some of the angry white men he speaks of.

  16. Anon E. Mouse on March 22, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Reno,
    I don’t think you are wrong about the right-wing radio people being devise and finger-pointing, but don’t stop there. There are plenty on the other end of the spectrum that are dismissive as well.
    It is politics.
    The idea that – “we are opponents and if it came out of your mouth it must be wrong” – is a disease that affects both parties. I see it all the time, here.
    Discussing certain issues – like race – is extremely hard. People are comfortable with their perceptions, no matter how inaccurate.
    It also relates to responsibility. People on both sides of the racial divide absolve themselves of responsibility for the problem. Each side, generally, tends to blame the other. It gets uncomfortable when we discover that we each bear plenty of blame.

  17. Diane Vespa on March 22, 2008 at 9:05 am

    … all great points. Until the extreme left and right wing hysteria dies down it will be very difficult for this country to effectively deal with the real challenges we face. That is why I support the candidacy of John McCain. I feel that he is a moderate that is guided by his principles as opposed to the agenda of either party.

  18. reno on March 22, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Mahkno – I believe Rush’s take on it was “I don’t want unity or reconciliation unless it means changing them to think like us.” So much for tolerance.

    Mr. Mouse – Yeah, that’d be the Clinton camp. As for race, yeah, you’re right. Everybody wants to blame everybody else. In the black community fatherless children, drug abuse, black-on-black crime… these are things that whites can’t fix. Problems like these have to be solved from within. On the other side, whites need to acknowledge that we’re the ones who started this.

    It wasn’t only whites who captured and sold people as slaves, but it was whites who bought them in this country. Then the slaves were freed, but they were marginalized and treated like they were less than human for over a century afterwards. I mean, come on! There were public lynchings for accusations of committing a crime without any evidence, and yet nobody was held responsible for the hangings? And that’s nothing to say of the incalculable civil injustices that *didn’t* result in a mob and a murder. Who wouldn’t be pissed off about that, even if for generations? Hell, the Irish and the English still hold plenty of grudges.

    Does the modern African American community have big problems? Sure. But whites are still dodging the fact that we–or our ancestors–put them on the path. If blacks are harboring a grudge about it, white denial isn’t helping.

    Diane – Meh, I wouldn’t say either side is acting extreme. Obama supporters are patting themselves on the back. Clinton supporters are saying,”good speech, but you’re still unelectable,” and the Republicans are back to their old tricks of making mountains out of molehills while dissecting statements to draw out meanings and intentions that don’t exist, then wagging their fingers as if they’re accusations are undeniable proof. Par for the course.

    McCain, as you might remember, went through the same type of hoopla that Obama/Clinton are going through. Every conservative and his dog were saying he’s not really conservative, he can’t win the general election, he’ll destroy the Republican party, he’ll never unite us, etc. Anyway, I’d hope that McCain or any candidate would let his advisors guide him more than his principles. We saw what happened when Bush decided he was going to stick to his guns and to hell with what anyone else thinks: a disaster.

    I can’t say I dislike the man, and might even have been able to make peace with the idea of having him as president before he started promising to continue the reckless and failed policies of the Bush administration while committing to keep us mired in Iraq for the next 100 years. It’s disappointing. All this time I thought we were admitting our mistakes and moving on.

    Calling them hysterical, on the other hand, is spot on. What would be great is if we could stop trying to play a game of “gotcha” and stick to the issues to strike up a solution to our problems. Like that will ever happen.

  19. VONSTER on March 23, 2008 at 9:55 am

    “…you either adopt their world view or be condemned by them.”

    Pot meet kettle. LOL!!