Comments on: Local: A disease is a disease, regardless of cause http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/ News, politics and the media in the River City Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:12:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104694 Vonster Wed, 21 May 2008 23:56:20 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104694 Coming soon to your neighborhood Coming soon to your neighborhood

]]> By: Vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104693 Vonster Wed, 21 May 2008 23:55:08 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104693 Look at the UK and`CA Look at the UK and`CA

]]> By: Vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104692 Vonster Wed, 21 May 2008 23:53:57 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104692 No sharia law being tried in the US , eh? No sharia law being tried in the US , eh?

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104667 postsimian Wed, 21 May 2008 13:47:30 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104667 sounds like some people need to be arrested for assault. sounds like some people need to be arrested for assault.

]]> By: vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104649 vonster Tue, 20 May 2008 20:07:19 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104649 BTW, here's an update on that Muslim school story we discussed. http://www.sondrak.com/index.php/weblog/school_bullies/ BTW, here’s an update on that Muslim school story we discussed.

http://www.sondrak.com/index.p.....l_bullies/

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104648 postsimian Tue, 20 May 2008 19:36:12 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104648 That's asking a lot. That’s asking a lot.

]]> By: vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104643 vonster Tue, 20 May 2008 16:50:22 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104643 "All those folks" didn't contract the virus by frumping like bunnies in anonymous sex bathhouses. Get your timeline straight. Try not to be an asshole, Reno. “All those folks” didn’t contract the virus by frumping like bunnies in anonymous sex bathhouses. Get your timeline straight.

Try not to be an asshole, Reno.

]]> By: Rixblix http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104641 Rixblix Tue, 20 May 2008 16:10:29 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104641 I guess the 800lb gorilla is supposed to be gays? I won't forget the gays so long as you remember all the folks contract the virus through other means, k? I guess the 800lb gorilla is supposed to be gays? I won’t forget the gays so long as you remember all the folks contract the virus through other means, k?

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104640 postsimian Tue, 20 May 2008 16:05:43 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104640 And whenever he starts attacking people's spelling, he knows he's wrong. And whenever he starts attacking people’s spelling, he knows he’s wrong.

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104639 postsimian Tue, 20 May 2008 15:55:54 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104639 Note: Whenever Vonster mentions "the 800lb gorilla in the room," he's usually talking about (whispered) *black* people. Note: Whenever Vonster mentions “the 800lb gorilla in the room,” he’s usually talking about (whispered) *black* people.

]]> By: vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104638 vonster Tue, 20 May 2008 14:53:07 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104638 And it's "your" not "you're". And it’s “your” not “you’re”.

]]> By: vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104637 vonster Tue, 20 May 2008 14:34:43 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104637 If you chose to ignore the 800lb gorilla in the room that's up to you. If you chose to ignore the 800lb gorilla in the room that’s up to you.

]]> By: Rixblix http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104636 Rixblix Tue, 20 May 2008 14:30:18 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104636 It was GRID till the powers that be realized that name was a misnomer. You're inability to see the big picture is expected, though. It was GRID till the powers that be realized that name was a misnomer. You’re inability to see the big picture is expected, though.

]]> By: Vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104619 Vonster Mon, 19 May 2008 23:15:44 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104619 Your strawman canard is expected, though.... Your strawman canard is expected, though….

]]> By: Vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104618 Vonster Mon, 19 May 2008 22:58:13 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104618 In it's earliest form in the US, known then as GRID, it was primarily limited to a given population - and you know it. In it’s earliest form in the US, known then as GRID, it was primarily limited to a given population - and you know it.

]]> By: Rixblix http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104617 Rixblix Mon, 19 May 2008 19:42:50 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104617 Actually, you're wrong, Vonster. More than 10,000 individuals were infected with HIV when the government and the companies that made their medicine failed to take the necessary measures to keep their factor safe. Oh, and then there were the thousands of patients who were given infected blood when they needed blood transfusions. And when the US couldn't use the tainted blood, they sent it overseas. But hey, what's a million dead gays and hemophiliacs, right? Actually, you’re wrong, Vonster.

More than 10,000 individuals were infected with HIV when the government and the companies that made their medicine failed to take the necessary measures to keep their factor safe.

Oh, and then there were the thousands of patients who were given infected blood when they needed blood transfusions.

And when the US couldn’t use the tainted blood, they sent it overseas.

But hey, what’s a million dead gays and hemophiliacs, right?

]]> By: vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104616 vonster Mon, 19 May 2008 19:29:01 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104616 But I'm right.... But I’m right….

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104615 postsimian Mon, 19 May 2008 19:26:43 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104615 *sets vonster on fire* Hey--you said... *sets vonster on fire*

Hey–you said…

]]> By: vonster http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104608 vonster Mon, 19 May 2008 16:36:59 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104608 In it's early days, AIDS was something you pretty much had to make an appointment to get, if ya know what I mean. Flame in 3...2...1... In it’s early days, AIDS was something you pretty much had to make an appointment to get, if ya know what I mean.

Flame in 3…2…1…

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104598 postsimian Mon, 19 May 2008 03:28:36 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104598 "Whether they could or should have prevented it becomes moot once they get it." Moot point, really. :P I was more ridiculing the current approach to preventative measures, not suggesting people ought to be treated like shit for getting AIDS. But either way, your point was worth repeating. “Whether they could or should have prevented it becomes moot once they get it.”

Moot point, really. :P

I was more ridiculing the current approach to preventative measures, not suggesting people ought to be treated like shit for getting AIDS. But either way, your point was worth repeating.

]]> By: Bookworm http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104587 Bookworm Mon, 19 May 2008 00:34:42 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104587 Many diseases besides AIDS can be prevented or lessened by lifestyle choices -- heart attacks, diabetes, lung cancer, etc. Still, very few if any people would treat smokers who get lung cancer or emphysema as if they "deserve" it for "being what they are". Nor would most people react to an overweight person who has a heart attack or becomes diabetic by saying "Sorry, you brought it on yourself by being a fat, lazy pig." The same principle applies, in my opinion, to anyone who contracts HIV or AIDS from high-risk sexual activity or drug use. Whether they could or should have prevented it becomes moot once they get it. If you're sick, you deserve whatever care or treatment is available to help you. Period. Many diseases besides AIDS can be prevented or lessened by lifestyle choices — heart attacks, diabetes, lung cancer, etc.

Still, very few if any people would treat smokers who get lung cancer or emphysema as if they “deserve” it for “being what they are”. Nor would most people react to an overweight person who has a heart attack or becomes diabetic by saying “Sorry, you brought it on yourself by being a fat, lazy pig.”
The same principle applies, in my opinion, to anyone who contracts HIV or AIDS from high-risk sexual activity or drug use. Whether they could or should have prevented it becomes moot once they get it. If you’re sick, you deserve whatever care or treatment is available to help you. Period.

]]> By: postsimian http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/2008/05/18/local-a-disease-is-a-disease-regardless-of-cause/#comment-104583 postsimian Sun, 18 May 2008 21:24:04 +0000 http://peoriapundit.com/blogpeoria/?p=10343#comment-104583 Y'know, this is one of those things where I feel education simply isn't enough. Preventing and containing the spread of AIDS requires personal responsibility in people's lifestyles, not simply knowing the risks. I really wish more emphasis would be added to this. Sure, it's alright to regard AIDS carriers as "victims of AIDS," but apparently it's still not fashionable to suggest that a good number of them could have prevented it by living a less licentious lifestyle. With the exception of accidental transmission or freak accidents, this is something people can largely avoid. I don't agree with the assessment that people deserve AIDS or "had it coming," but I'm guessing the relative control over it factors into their reasoning. But then again, we have to consider society's least common denominator: if a person is one of those hateful idiots who thinks it only affects gays and minorities and they deserve it for being what they are... we can safely assume reasoning really isn't a factor at all. Y’know, this is one of those things where I feel education simply isn’t enough. Preventing and containing the spread of AIDS requires personal responsibility in people’s lifestyles, not simply knowing the risks. I really wish more emphasis would be added to this. Sure, it’s alright to regard AIDS carriers as “victims of AIDS,” but apparently it’s still not fashionable to suggest that a good number of them could have prevented it by living a less licentious lifestyle.

With the exception of accidental transmission or freak accidents, this is something people can largely avoid. I don’t agree with the assessment that people deserve AIDS or “had it coming,” but I’m guessing the relative control over it factors into their reasoning.

But then again, we have to consider society’s least common denominator: if a person is one of those hateful idiots who thinks it only affects gays and minorities and they deserve it for being what they are… we can safely assume reasoning really isn’t a factor at all.

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